The Colonial Bar closed in November 2015, the leaseholder was unable to negotiate an extension of their 10 year lease with the site owner. The site is owned by The Wellington Pub Company. As documented on this blog a number of local businesses came forward to offer to take over the Colonial Bar but were unsuccessful in their negotiations with the owner.
The owner of the land, for reasons known to themselves, demolished the 185 year old building without having agreed future plans with the council. Shortly after the demolition of The Colonial Bar the owner submitted plans to build nine flats on the now empty land.
I am able to report that the request for planning permission ( 27103/007 ) to build new flats on the former location of the Colonial Bar/Good Intent have been denied by East Hants District Council.
Permission was denied for the following reasons:
- Proposed residential development of the site would result in the loss of land that has a community facility use and it has not been demonstrated through a marketing exercise that this use is no longer viable, or that all reasonable efforts have been made to retain it.
- Proposed building by virtue of its form and the architectural detailing of its external visual appearance, would fail to contribute positively to the character and appearance of the local built environment and would result in harm to the visual amenity of the area.
- It has not been shown that the proposal would not result in harm to the health of the trees.
- Site falls within Zone 1 Groundwater Source Protection Zone that must be protected to safeguard the quality of the public water supply. In the absence of details demonstrating how the disposal of surface water from the site would be managed, it has not been demonstrated that the proposal would not result in an increased flood risk elsewhere.
The East Hants District Council officer’s report goes on to say that the building has been demolished holds little weight in the matter; the owner of The Colonial Bar chose to demolish the building, the designated community use of the land remains.
It is interesting to note that Horndean Parish Council went on record stating that they had no objection to the new flats.
There is no question that new houses do need to be built, thousands are going up in the area, it is also important to remember that community facilities need to be protected.
If you know of anyone that’d wanted to take on the this as a new venture, please let them know the current state of play. Perhaps Horndean could and crowd-fund the money as it did back in the 1950’s with the purchase of Merchistoun Hall?
I’m just glad it’s gone !!!
It was great when it was The Good Intent :) In the 70’s.
I used to go there for a meal and a boogie .. But then things changed ….. X
Yes that was due to the management, not the building :)
Agreed …we are reading from the same page x
Prawn Cocktail starter, Scampi in a basket, followed by Black Forest Gateau. I wish my hot tub had a time machine.
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Me three Kerry. I remember it as a nightclub as well, went a few years ago. Was a bit mental.
Some1 do something useful with the land like building a shelter home 4 homeless!
I’m sorry. Wouldn’t fit in with surrounding buildings? Like the massive retirement home they are building directly opposite? Or perhaps they may spoil the view from the factory units near by.
This is why there is a housing shortage in this country.
All the council are doing is delaying the process. Flats will be built there it’s only a matter of time.
This is possibly the most sense you have ever spoken !!! X
There is no question that new houses do need to be built Nathan, thousands are going up in the area, it is also important to remember that community facilities need to be protected. I am from Horndean, my old family home came on the market this year, the reduction in local community facilities meant I decided not to move back. Will be interesting to see how this pans out?
Like I said. Only a matter of time until permission is granted. Its alright saying that community facilities need to stay but the council can bearly afford to empty the bins let alone build parks and community centers.
I’d like to know how planning permission for this site was refused but permission was granted for that abortion of a development in Clanfield st James place is it? No affordable housing going up in there. Houses start at 300k there. Well out of reach of a couple earning the national average wage. Well unless they have a 80 grand deposit.
I’m sure a housing crash will be along shorty. My understanding is that the funds for building new facilities come from a specific pot of money from a specific source, this pot of money can’t be used for collecting bins etc. As for the prices, yes they are mental, house builders are making record year on year profits.
I believe it cost them around the 15-20 thousand pound mark to build a 2 bed semi. They will then sell it on for 250k and the quality it unbelievably low. Everything is down to the lowest bid and they buy materials in such bulk that a kitchen will cost them maybe £100.
After 5 years the house will literally fall down around the owners
Unfortunately, when these pub companies decide that they want to sell the land, they do everything they can to ensure that they put the current licensee out of business so they can sell the land (usually for flats). I have witnessed what they did to my aunt and it still makes me angry.
Build a new bar and make it a rock music only bar that will attract more respectable clientele
Build a music/comedy venue with bar and restaurant.
When I moved to Horndean, with my mum, 27 years ago we fell in love with the village. It was exactly as you’d expect a village to be. With a greengrocer, butchers, sweetshop.. it was perfect. But driving through now with my daughters it has none of the spark it used to. All the old shops are gone. The brewery now flats, the buildings opposite- flats, the big field next to keydales that used to be home to horses and donkeys- housing estate, 2 of the 4 village pubs are gone- one already flats! Do we really need more housing!? Our schools are already fit to burst, the Drs surgery you wait weeks for an appointment, you fight for a table at the red lion! Horndean has long since lost its village feel. It so sad!!
Yes we do need more housing and a lot more of it. The issues you highlight are because the infrastructure isn’t keeping up with the building; that is the councils failing, not those of us who need somewhere to live.
Amy Winter
Typical HPC had no objections the site should be retained for use for the community of horndean.
Of course the building was demolished because they thought then there would be no objections for flats or houses. With all it’s trouble as the colonial bar it still could of been turned into a pub / restaurant
We don’t need any more houses/flats in the area.make it a restaurant of some kind that familes can go to.we don’t have enough in the area that are suitable for children.it’s a huge plot of land that could make a lot of people happy.or get a kfc in with a garden and play area.horndean and clanfield are not the same from when I lived in the area when I was 2.
make it a car park and put a sml fee on for all the parents that use the school as parking is limited around the area for schools
Good
No more bloody flats. It needs to be some sort of entertainment venue. Maggie and Katie that had the pub did a great job with that venue the amount of trouble that had previously been there when it was the good intent was cut the bands were good and if you wanted a late night without having to pay to go to town you could and the staff were friendly.
What that place needed was a refurb so during the day/early evening it could be used by family’s breakfast lunch family dinners then after 9 adults only. Maybe a play area like the red lion used to have.
The amount of space that building had but wasn’t used due probably the owners not wanting to invest the money.
I worked there under several landlords and the best were Angie and Maggie. Katie Parratt Margaret Carpenter
Wish we could have 10 flats denied where our Co-op used to stand along Milton Rd Waterlooville,lots of objections have gone in so fingers crossed for a different outcome.
It’s going to be by a different council Shirley, the Horndean decision was by East Hants District Council and they are on the ball when it comes to planning.
Yes it’s Havant ,it’s having amendments done ,they want it over 3 floors which will not be in keeping with the bungalows around the proposed block and they will lose their privacy.
Interesting, although I wonder if number 2 will still apply when the new care home opposite is completed? It does sound as if someone didn’t do their homework properly before knocking down the building. Wonder what will happen now.
Sue Osgood
pleased about this thanks wes
WATER,,,name of the game….no more no less…look at the objections to the 700 developement plan of Hazleton Farm, all linked.
The installation of a 20 Megawatt Electricity Generation Plant on land at Blendworth Common was withdrawn because of an objection by the Environment Agency. The Environment Agency said, “We object to the planning application as submitted because the risks to groundwater from the development are unacceptable”
https://planningpublicaccess.easthants.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=summary&keyVal=_EHANT_DCAPR_236123
I remember it as a bikers pub back in the 60/70’s the Good Intent.
How’s that tho as I live in Knighton corner n we all got a letter from radian saying what’s getting built and say its 9 or 10 apartments
Hi Masaya, I’ve not seen the letter from Radian but it was probably notification of the planning proposal. Local neighbours have to be notified by letter. Once planning has been proposed it has to be reviewed by in this case East Hants District Council who said, No, No, No with a slice of No on the side.
It’s because the letter only got sent to Knighton corner residence not the whole horndean /waterlooville, if they said no then why get a letter about what’s happening ? I got the letter about a month ago
Yes only local, nearby residents get notified, sometimes the notification is only stuck onto a lamppost or two which isn’t great unless you know what to look for. Here’s the outcome of the request (Decision REFUSAL):
https://planningpublicaccess.easthants.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=summary&keyVal=_EHANT_DCAPR_238682
The letter said to Knighton corner residents n okay we will just have to wait , if we get another letter I will post on here
No more housing it was a lovely villiage now its all bout housing .. They should of kept building made it into a calvery..its a shame as its all bout money now adays..build something useful not houses flats somewhere kids go in day .adults can go at nite ..the villiage is ruined by houses flats..
Ok I’ll say it, should be Cinema and Bowling, maybe an ice rink chucked in. Why not? Same pigs flying over Horndean as Waterlooville 3:‑)
I’m holding out for a record shop…
Used to be able to do a fair pub crawl in Horndean with a choice if five pubs, now just the two. Great shame. What a s##t hole that area is turning out to be! One giant concrete jungle merging into another with no focal point or community assets. Thank God i made a wise choice to head to Somerset. My village has a Church, two pubs, Indian Restaurant, Post Office and Shop, Village Hall, Infant School,etc.. I could go on.. And we’re only around 1700 inhabitants!
Couldn’t have said it better myself, that’s why when my family home in Horndean, the home I promised myself I’d buy if it became available, came on the market, decided not to return. Guess that’s progress, but at what cost?